CREATINE ETHYL ESTER

[broomer]

just a quick hello,
and a quick question, is it nessesarry to have a 'rest' period from this??

[Steve Gardener]

IMO - no. But I have read on some sites where it is suggested that it might be a good idea. Right now there is little evidence to support that theory.

The only possible arguments which might need checking out is the esterisation of Creatine. As Creatine exists in the body and is found in many meats and fish Creatine in and of itself should be ok - esp at the usual recommended doses. The FDA in the sites, using a company produced report, seemed happy but the EU is waiting on research to give full approval.

[wojownik]

i heard that they say you must take a rest period because it converts into l-cranite or somthing like that which usually comes out of your body from urinating but i think it can be toxic to liver. thats all ive heard why they have breaks, in the end i thinks it is best to for better results.

[Steve Gardener]

Complete and utter nutse. I have a very load BS threshold and the info regarding Creatine and by default CEE (until proven otherwise) is easily researchable.

What ill-informed postees on various forums on the net do is see ONE article or ONE post where someone else has put up the wrong info.

Basic stuff. 1) Creatine was 'discovered' in 1905 by a French Scientist - all he did was say 'this chemical is creatine'. 2) Paul Greenhaff (UK) who was at Nottingham University is considered one of THE people to go to on creatine info and was the 'go to' guy on it's use in, for and by athletes. There were others but Paul seems to be el numero uno. 3) Creatine has been tested in nigh on every country that sells it again and again - and always come up as approved or safe.

Occasionally someone will post up something stupid and 9/10 it's as follows. That it is harsh on the liver - it's not and that you should cycle it - without any evidence to support that. The reason why the liver comment gets raised is (note the different spelling) CREATININE is used one of the several measures doctors can use to look at how your liver us doing on tests done on blood values. This gets mixed in with the blurb in adverts for those selling their version of creatine (Kre this that and the other) - in said ads and occasionally articles that people don't read properly it will say that any creatine that the body doesn't use is wasted and in the same way that protein can be excreted by the body as urea in your piss creatine can be broken down and excreted as (ta da) CREATININE. If you have liver problems or a blood test it is well worth mentioning creatine use as a way of not having them see the values and get worried.

CEE - or Creatine Ethyl Ester - is an esterized version of Creatine and as above it is this esterization which MAY need testing. As the normally very strict and hard to get approval from FDA has approved it I'm not worried. Creatine is also found naturally in higher concentrations in red meats and some fish. It IS present in the human body natually (at about 5-6g if memory serves) and more so in strength athletes. The idea that some promote through ignorance that it is somehow a toxic chemical when you have some in you EVERY DAY, that you ate some IN YOUR RED MEAT and so on is daft at best and bloody annoying at worst - more so on a site where our support of the sport comes from sales of said supplements and where the correct factual information can be googled in 20-seconds.

Read the following: www.bodybuilding.com/fun/gastelu8.htm

and

www.bodybuilding.com/store/cee.html