Aragon and McDonald pissing over the fantasists!!

[doubleenderxxl]

Two great pieces here; both dealing with the realities of muscle gains; both comprehensively detail that which I have been saying for a looonnnnggggg time!!

Bottom line, you are not going to weigh over 200lb in condition naturally (10% BF or less and adjusted for height, obviously); and you are not going to put on over 50lbs in [lean] mass, no matter how long you have been training nor how able you are to delude yourself re: believing you are leaner than you actually are!!

Alan Aragon - Supps marketing bullshit: vis a vis 'The realities of just 'how much' muscle mass a person can gain'

Lyle McDonald - Whats My Genetic Potential: How much muscle is it possible to gain naturally?

[Steve Gardener]

Good. Esp the first.

[Steve Gardener]

To add to what DE has already included - you need to adjust the figures for height. As per a discussion on MT last weekend about wrist/bone sizes and possible/potential muscle size targets as a result the figures quoted in the articles assume average height. Most of the Whey Gym lads are taller as are most strongmen.

Anabolics also upset, to some degree, the equations. I'm of the school of thought that AAS and the like (but not GH as they upsets the figures even more) get you faster to where you might one day arrived. GH et al change those limits.